a guy gave me a dtv multi-sat triple lnb dish today. i was wondering, can i get 110 and 119 with this without any changes to it? anybody got any experience with this dish? it would be nice if it was already capable of 91 110 and 119 but that is unlikely.

a guy gave me a dtv multi-sat triple lnb dish today. i was wondering, can i get 110 and 119 with this without any changes to it? anybody got any experience with this dish? it would be nice if it was already capable of 91 110 and 119 but that is unlikely.

if it is the phaze III i wouldnt play around with it it has a built in switch and will not pick up all the dish tps
it is like the one on the right side of the pick thats it
BUT if it ha 3 seperate lnbs you should be good to go

it's the one on the right. i did a search and PATRICKC addressed a question like this back in june this is what i found:

"the dtv phase II and III are not the good choice for 110' and 119' dn, the better choice is dishnet 500 dish or super dish 105 or 121. in order for it to work, you need to cover 101' lnb(in front of dish,the left one is 101'), you also lose about 200 channels compares to dish500."

thanks PUGSY

if it is the phaze III i wouldnt play around with it it has a built in switch and will not pick up all the dish tps
it is like the one on the right side of the pick thats it
BUT if it ha 3 seperate lnbs you should be good to go


a guy gave me a dtv multi-sat triple lnb dish today. i was wondering, can i get 110 and 119 with this without any changes to it? anybody got any experience with this dish? it would be nice if it was already capable of 91 110 and 119 but that is unlikely.

Here's the best information I can give you on Phase III dish,I have written several post's over the last year on the dish,and have two up and running still today.I hope this clears the confussion.
I have also attached a very good technical tutorial from the manual on how Dave stackes the frequencies on their system.This should take of the problems folks have with understanding these dtv phase III systems.

I don't reconmend using this dish, (Dish Pro 500 is the best for 119 and 110). Most other people add a single DTV dish for 91... this is the easiest set up!!!

However, if you have this dish ALREADY and want to use it, here is how to do so and what the pros and cons are of it's use....

The Phase III oval dish (FAQ)
All about the Phase 3 dish
(made for DTV, has 3 LNBs in same enclosure and built in multi-switch.)
YES, you CAN use this for your FTA setup to get 91 and 110 !

Advantages:
1. You can add 2 LNBs and get 82 and 119 also on the same dish.
2. Cheap or free from your DTV system.
3. Use only one wire and get 2 sats.
4. If you add 82 and 119, you'll use 3 ports on your DiSEqC switch, perfect to hook up an additional bigger dish and a linear LNB, and get birds like Intelsat 5 (T5) on your diseq empty port.

Connection:
1. You need only 1 coax cable per receiver connected to the Phase 3 dish, which is an advantage.
2. It doesn't matter which of the 4 ports you connect to, all 4 are the same in functionality. Your receiver will use the built in multi-switch to select one of the 3 sats. It does that via voltage changes and 22 Khz tone signaling.

What this dish is for and how it was meant to work?
1. This dish is for DirectTV. It was made to get the 101, 110 and 119 DTV sats.
2. Looking from behind the dish, the LNB are used like so:
.......left lnb = 119 sat
...middle lnb = 110 sat
.....right lnb = 101 sat
3. The multi-switch inside uses 22 Khz tone that is sent by your receiver to switch between 2 sats (just like any other 22 Khz switch). You'll have to set that up in your Pansat receiver.
4. 2 sats?? Yes! The multi-switch inside also serves as a combiner to combine signal from 110 and 119. So the 22 Khz will switch between the signal of 110 and 119 combined and the signal of 101

How the built in combiner works:
1. The combiner takes TPs 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 28, 30 and 32 from the middle LNB (110) and all the rest of the 32 TPs of the left LNB (119). You cannot change what TPs are combined... Covering middle LNB with foil won't work, and cutting traces on the pcb won't work either.
2. This is OK for DTV because DTV only has 3 TP's on DTV's 110 (28, 30 and 32) and they are different from the TPs on DTV's 119. (a tp is a frequency band on which up to 14 channels are transmitted). So combining different frequencies on the same wire, works fine. But it will affect your FTA setup.

How the built in combiner affects your Pansat setup:
1. You can use the Phase 3 dish to get the 91 (bev) and the 110 (dn) satellites.
2. For that you point the dish to 101 (middle LNB), and adjust the skew. Now the left LNB picks up 110 (looking from behind the dish) and the right LNB picks up 91.
3. The combiner will combine TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 101 DTV sat with the rest of the TPs of the 110 DN sat. This means you will not be able to get TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 110 sat, but read on to see what you're missing.

What channels will I be missing on my Pansat?
1. You will be missing only some local channels. (ABC, CBS..etc..), which may or may not be local to you. Thats it !
2. To see what is missing you go to lyngsat and check to see whats on TP 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 on DN's 110 sat.
4. You will see that ALL but 2 of these TPs are of BEAM type... which means you wouldn't have been able to get them ANYWAY, unless you are in the area indicated for that particular beam.
5. The 2 conus (available nationwide) tps that you'll be missing are: TP 12 and TP 14. Whats on it? Only locals from Lexington, Knoxville, Jackson and Denver.


What you should be pointing it to, to get 91 and 110
Pansat setup:
Assuming you will point this dish to 101 (middle LNB to 101), you will be able to get 91 and 110 on the 2 outside LNBs WITH proper SKEW, and thats what you want do to if you are going to use it with your Pansat. The middle LNB is useless for Pansat setups on Phase 3 dish as it will be pointed to DTV's 101 sat. Also covering this LNB with anything won't help to give you back those locals that you'll be missing.
To get the azimuth and elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 101 sat. For skew see below.

DTV setup:
If you set the dish like above, it will not work for DTV. If you want it to work for DTV you point it to 110 (middle LNB gets 110) and the outer will get 101 and 119.
To get the azimuth and elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 110 sat. For skew see below. Or you can use your DTV receiver, enter your zip code and it will give you all settings.

You can't use the Phase 3 dish for DTV and Pansat at the same time because you're pointing to different sats.

How to calculate and use Skew:
Skew= vertical offset (twist) in degrees from the vertical (from the 90 degrees mark on your dish)
1. Go to Satellite Nut page
2. Enter your location info.
3. Calculate skew for the 2 outer satellites on your dish (for the Pansat setup on Phase3 that would be 91 and 119)
4. Add them together and divide by 2
5. You get the skew number. (Disregard the minus sign if its negative)

To use SKEW:
You must ensure that the top of the mast is perfectly plum. Best thing is to use an eye round level (home depot, tool section - $3) that you put right on top of the mast. You do that BEFORE you even put the dish on the mast.

If you are on the EAST coast, skew = counter-clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phase 3 dish. Set your dish to 90 minus the skew number
If you are on the WEST coast, skew = clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set dish to 90 plus the skew number

Receiver setup:
No DiSEqC switch is needed, only one wire needs to be connected to the Phase 3
91: 22 Khz OFF, DiSEqC - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)
110: 22 Khz ON, DiSEqC - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)

Can I also get 119 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the LEFT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiSEqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phase 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 119 LNB:
Assuming you put the wire from the Phase 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #2, your setup will be:
91: 22 Khz OFF, DiSEqC #1
110: 22 Khz ON, DiSEqC #1
119: 22 Khz OFF (or ON - doesn't matter), DiSEqC #2

Can I also get 82 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the RIGHT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiSEqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phase 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 82 LNB:
Assuming you put the wire from the Phase 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #3, your setup will be:
91: 22 Khz OFF, DiSEqC #1
110: 22 khz ON, DiSEqC #1
82: 22 Khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), DiSEqC #3


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from one Thomas to another Thomas, thanks a million. that is the most detailed information for this dish and setup that anyone could ask for. i really appreciate it Odd. i am gonna try to fix it up later. if i have any trouble you guys will know.:D

Hi all,

How big is this dish? If if is 20" or 22", I do not think that we can get 82 and 119 (too far fron the focal point).

Has anyone tried them yet?

Cuong